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Moira Queen on Trial: What Can They Actually Try Her For?

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I hate watching the law played out on TV, because the law is often exacting and detail oriented. But good stories often require painting with a broad brush. Which means I spend a lot of time saying “You can’t do that” while being shushed by others. But, aside from a few head scratching moments, The Arrow did one of the better jobs I’ve seen. Still, for fun, here’s my favorite pieces of what they got right, and what they got wrong.

Are you required to let your opponent know when you invoke Rule 15?
Absolutely! And a good attorney invokes it as often as needed.

What does Rule 15 do?
In a Federal criminal trial it means someone wants to depose a witness before trial.  That helps you figure out how strong your case will be at trial. Both sides get to be there so, yeah, they know when you invoke it.

Under Federal civil rules you invoke Rule 15 to amend a pleading. Which you then serve on your adversary so, yeah, they also know that you invoked it.

Under Starling City rules, apparently, it means you want the death penalty… which you tell opposing counsel about in court… as a professional courtesy? They must invoke the death penalty a lot to give it its own rule. Example: “Your honor, I object! Also, I’d like to invoke Rule 15.”

Rule-15

 

Can Lead Attorney for the State Laurel be disbarred for talking to Defendant Moria Queen without Moira’s attorney present?
Yes. Will she be? Hard to say, but some kind of reprimand from the legal bar is likely.

The whole point of having a lawyer is to keep you from saying and doing things you’ll regret. Avoiding Moira’s lawyer, so you can talk to Moira alone, and convince her to take a plea deal, instead of going to trial, because you know about her affair with Malcom Merlyn, is bad form. It could screw up your case. It could also get you disbarred. Just a bad idea all around.

Did Moira engage in a Conspiracy to Murder?
Yes.

Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a criminal act with an overt act to that end. She agreed to help out Malcom Merlyn with the machines that would destroy the Glades; she gave him access to the materials necessary to build machines; and she intended that the Glades be destroyed by the machines, along with all of its occupants. So, yeah, guilty of conspiracy to murder.

Stick-figure-conspiracy

 

Does she have a defense for withdrawing?
Yes. Assuming her lawyer wasn’t so busy making unnecessary bail motions that she forgot to put on a withdrawal of conspiracy defense for the jury.

Going on TV to tell people you were part of a conspiracy is a pretty clear way to withdraw, especially if your co-conspirator is watching. And seeing as how Malcom waited some time to set off the machines, he had plenty of time to decide if he wanted to withdraw and not destroy the Glades as well. Even in a jurisdiction that requires the individual to stop the crime in order to withdraw, she would be ok because she pled for people to get out of the Glades, and then was prevented from further action by being immediately arrested by the police who would then, presumably, be responsible for stopping the crime. Unless, of course, they would prefer people who join conspiracies to withdraw by putting on a mask and going all vigilante on their former co-conspirators.

Is she responsible for aiding and abetting 503 mass murders?
That depends on how many people Malcom killed before she withdrew from the conspiracy.

She’s accountable for all the crimes that occurred before the she withdrew (including the “dozens” of murders he committed while she was part of the conspiracy) but not the stuff that happened afterwards. So, if we’re talking about the 503 people who died in the Glades after she went on TV, the answer is no.

If she were responsible for those deaths could she use duress as a defense?
No, not even if she met all the elements, which she doesn’t. Let’s run the numbers:

  • Well-grounded fear? Check!
  • Imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm? Umm… Probably not. Imminent means now, as in “right now!” Not months or years. A defense using months or years might work for someone chained in a house with no means of escape, but Moira is pretty much free to go wherever she wants and do whatever she wants whenever she wants.
  • No reasonable opportunity to escape? Well… she does live in her own house, run her own company and have enough money to go anywhere she wants in the world at any time, which would include, I’m assuming, the police station. Or, she could just tell the police when they come to her house. Which they do semi-regularly. So, I’m going to say no.

Even if she could meet all the elements, you’re not allowed to kill one person, or dozens, to save someone else, even if they are your children. Sorry Moira.

You-have-failed-this-defense

 Can she be held responsible for jury tampering?
No. Unless Starling City has a special rule for that too.

Jury tampering occurs when an individual, such as Malcom Merlyn, by use of corruption or threats tries to influence the outcome of a trial. Jury tampering is serious business, and the penalties can be pretty severe. Let’s be honest though, if you’re Malcom Merlyn, and you’ve killed hundreds of people, a little jury tampering isn’t going to keep you up at night. But Moira had nothing to do with it so she can’t be held responsible. That’s all on Malcom.

Because the jury was tampered with, can they try her again?
No.

The Fifth amendment of the U.S. Constitution forbids double jeopardy, which means you can’t be tried twice for the same crime. Even if your former co-conspirator comes back from the dead and threatens the jury, once a jury reaches a not-guilty verdict and the judge ratifies it in court, they can’t try her again for that same crime. So, Moira is a free woman, but keeping all those secrets is going to get her killed if she’s not careful. Oh, wait….

Please Vote For The Legal Geeks for Best Podcast

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Voting is now open in The Geekie Awards. It is time to vote early and vote often for The Legal Geeks for Best Podcast. We ask for your vote every day for Best Podcast until August 31, 11:59pm PST.

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Thrilled to be Nominated for Best Podcast by The Geekie Awards

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Jessica and I are deeply honored to be nominated for Best Podcast by The Geekie Awards. Our podcast Property Lessons from Thor and Civil Procedure from Ant-Man are tales to astonish law professors and legal geeks who love the law. We are simply thunderstruck to be recognized by The Geekie Awards one week after our first San Diego Comic Con panel. This summer has been one excellent adventure for Jessica and I. Thank you everyone who has joined us.

Our podcast journeyed into mystery on whether ownership of Mjolnir could be contingent on being worthy, based on the events in Jason Aaron’s excellent Thor series after the events of Original Sin. Jess and I then geeked out over Civil Procedure in discussing Nick Spencer’s awesome Ant-Man series on whether Tony Stark could sue Scott Lang in California or Florida.

We look forward to the awards show on October 15 at Barker Hanger in Santa Monica. I greatly enjoyed the innovation and fun of the first two Geekie Awards shows. I am very excited to see the new venue for a simple reason: I love airplanes. Having both a grandfather and father who were aeronautical engineers whose careers spanned from Amelia Earhart to the Space Shuttle, it will be a lot of fun to see the Geekie Awards in Barker Hanger.

Voting for the Best Podcast is now live at http://vote2015.thegeekieawards.com/ until August 31. Please vote once a day for The Legal Geeks and help keep civil procedure and property cool.

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Tony Stark vs Ant-Man: Battle Over Advertising Using Iron Man’s Likeness Without Consent

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Marvel’s Ant-Man by Nick Spencer is giant size fun that packs the strength of a comic 100 times it size.

Scott Lang takes on his greatest challenge as Ant-Man: starting a security business. Ant-Man had to face bankers to get a loan, followed by a Nazi Atomic Robot from World War II that turned its victims to gold: the Midasbot.

Actually, the Robot was the easiest challenge Ant-Man had to face in the story. Securing a loan for his business, not so much.

After successfully securing a loan from a private investor, Ant-Man launched his advertising campaign with a roadside billboard that included Iron Man giving a thumbs-up with the quote, “I’d hire him.”

No amount of Pym Particles can shrink the big issue Scott Lang created for himself: Ant-Man did not get Tony Stark’s permission to use Iron Man’s likeness to market Ant-Man’s new business. We actually see Tony Stark tell a lawyer, “Sue.”

Tony Stark’s lawyers have multiple options to sue Ant-Man. The options include suing in California, or Florida, or in Federal Court on a Federal Question, or in Federal Court on Diversity Jurisdiction.  The likely choice would be a hybrid.

California Dreaming

There is a very strong argument that Ant-Man violated California’s prohibition on using someone’s likeness without their consent, even though Ant-Man is in Miami.

California’s “long arm statute” states that a California Court “may exercise jurisdiction on any basis not inconsistent with the Constitution of this state or of the United States.” Cal Code Civ Proc § 410.10.

Is a single roadside sign in Miami enough to establish personal jurisdiction over Ant-Man in California? One of Tony Stark’s lawyers would argue yes, because Ant-Man 1) knew Iron Man was in California and 2) had interviewed for a job with Tony Stark in San Francisco. This should be enough evidence to show Ant-Man purposefully available himself to the laws of California by using Iron Man’s likeness in Florida (at least according to Tony Stark’s lawyers). This is a very difficult argument to make successfully based on one sign in Miami.

Going Back to Miami

The better argument would be to sue in Federal Court either on diversity or Federal Question. Tony Stark has an excellent Federal Question: Copyright violation by using the image of Iron Man.

If in Federal Court based on copyright violation, a Federal Judge in Florida could hear the Florida state false advertising claims based on supplemental jurisdiction, because the claim is related to the copyright violation for using the image of Iron Man on the billboard, thus making it the same case or controversy under 28 USCS § 1367.

Tony Stark’s lawyers would likely prefer using California law prohibiting the use of someone’s likeness in advertising over Florida’s false advertising laws. This would require either suing in California, or going to Federal Court based on Diversity Jurisdiction, or suing over the copyright claims in Federal Court with the California claims being pendent to the copyright jurisdiction.

If a Federal Court were applying California law, or if California somehow had personal jurisdiction over Ant-Man, the relevant California law states:

(a)  Any person who knowingly uses another’s name, voice, signature, photograph, or likeness, in any manner, on or in products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods or services, without such person’s prior consent, or, in the case of a minor, the prior consent of his parent or legal guardian, shall be liable for any damages sustained by the person or persons injured as a result thereof. In addition, in any action brought under this section, the person who violated the section shall be liable to the injured party or parties in an amount equal to the greater of seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) or the actual damages suffered by him or her as a result of the unauthorized use, and any profits from the unauthorized use that are attributable to the use and are not taken into account in computing the actual damages. In establishing such profits, the injured party or parties are required to present proof only of the gross revenue attributable to such use, and the person who violated this section is required to prove his or her deductible expenses. Punitive damages may also be awarded to the injured party or parties. The prevailing party in any action under this section shall also be entitled to attorney’s fees and costs.

Cal Civ Code § 3344(a).

Tony Stark could prove that 1) Iron Man’s likeness was used by Ant-Man in marketing Ant-Man’s services and 2) Ant-Man did not get Tony Stark’s consent to use Iron Man’s likeness. What is interesting would be the actual damages, which might not meet dollar requirement to be in excess of $75,000 for diversity jurisdiction to get Stark into Federal Court in Florida.

Tony Stark could at least seek the statutory amount of $750 from Scott Lang. Given Stark’s wealth and the cost of litigation that would be simple damages for the sake of revenge on a financially bankrupt Scott Lang, who is living in a toy house to save money.

If Stark could prove his actual damages for appearing on one roadside sign in Miami, the amount of damages could go up. If Stark could prove Ant-Man’s profits were attributable to the use of Iron Man’s likeness, that amount would be in addition to the damages award, minus Ant-Man’s deductible expenses.

Could Stark claim his damages to be in excess of $75,000 for Diversity Jurisdiction? Unknown, but an Extremis powered lawyer from a Big Law Firm would sure try.

One option is to focus primarily on the violation of Tony Stark’s copyright in the Iron Man armor being used on the billboard. As Federal Courts have exclusive jurisdiction over copyright claims, a Federal Court could allow the California claims as being part of the same case. (See, Fed. Treasury Enter. Sojuzplodoimport v Spirits Int’l N.V. (2010, CA2 NY) 623 F3d 61, 96 USPQ2d 1906 for exclusive jurisdiction). In Astor–Honor, Inc. v Grosset & Dunlap, Inc., it was held a Federal court had the power to hear a complaint over the alleged conspiracy to infringe on a copyright, despite there being no diversity, because it was joined with copyright claims that had a common nucleus of facts. As such, claims can be joined if “one would ordinarily be expected to try them all in one judicial proceeding.” Astor–Honor, Inc. v Grosset & Dunlap, Inc. (1971, CA2 NY) 441 F2d 627, 170 USPQ 65, 14 FR Serv 2d 1502.

In a case with copyright and contract claims where the contract claim did not meet the amount in controversy to provide diversity jurisdiction, the Federal Court could hear the contract claims because the copyright claims gave the court jurisdiction based on a Federal Question (copyright) and pendent jurisdiction over the contract claim under 28 USCS § 1338(a). Powell v Green Hill Publishers, Inc. (1989, ND Ill) 719 F Supp 743, 14 USPQ2d 1760.

Based on the above, there is a strong chance the Invincible Iron Man would be able to sue the Astonishing Ant-Man in Federal Court, in Florida, with both copyright claims and seeking relief over using Iron Man’s likeness in advertising without Tony Stark’s permission.

There are many unanswered questions regarding Ant-Man’s new business. Did he incorporate in Florida? If so, what kind of corporate entity? What kind of business insurance does a security firm require? Does Ant-Man have the required OSHA postings for his single employee? How does the Affordable Care Act impact Ant-Man’s new business? Does Ant-Man get a tax break for hiring an ex-con?

Regardless of those answers, keep up the great work Nick Spencer.