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The Law Strikes Back at San Diego Comic Con!

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The Legal Geeks are returning to San Diego Comic Con with TWO Star Wars panels on July 20th. We are honored to share our love for Star Wars on the 50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing. Our panels this year are Judges on the Law of the Last Jedi and Solo and Star Wars Mock Trial: The Court-Martial of Poe Dameron. We are extremely thankful for being selected this year with two Friday panels and a third on Saturday. Below please find our Friday panel information:

Judges on the Law of the Last Jedi and Solo, 3:00p.m. – 4:00p.m., Room: 7AB

Star Wars and the Law go together like Han Solo and Chewbacca. Join our panel of Judges for a discussion on the legal issues from The Last Jedi, Solo, and unexplored regions from the Outer Rim. Did Luke Skywalker have a legal obligation to save the galaxy from the First Order? What is the legality of underground Droid Fights? Could the Caretakers sue Rey for dropping a boulder on their cart? Was Han right when he first shot first? Find out when court is in session with Circuit Judge John B. Owens of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Magistrate Judge Stacie Beckerman, Magistrate Judge Mitch Dembin, CA Judge Carol Najera, NY Judge Matthew Sciarrino, and Paul Grewal (Former Magistrate Judge and now Deputy General Counsel and VP of Litigation at Facebook). Moderated by attorneys Jessica Mederson and Joshua Gilliland of The Legal Geeks.

Star Wars Mock Trial: The Court-Martial of Poe Dameron, 8:00p.m. – 9:00p.m., Room: 7AB

The Legal Geeks and the Rebel Legion Sunrider Base present the mock court-martial of everyone’s favorite X-Wing ace, Poe Dameron. Based on the events of The Last Jedi, Poe stands accused of disobeying General Leia Organa and leading a mutiny aboard the Resistance flagship Raddus against Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo. Lawyers for the prosecution and defense, including a U.S. Army JAG attorney, will take on Poe’s case in front of United States Magistrate Judge Mitch Dembin. Participating attorneys include Steve Chu, Thomas Harper, Christine Peek, and Megan Hitchcock. Rebel Legion members Rachel Williams will be General Leia Organa and Marcus Holt as Poe Dameron.

Can Law Find a Way to Save the Dinosaurs of Jurassic World?

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Any Court will take judicial notice that anyone who would leave a brachiosaurus to die in a volcano is an inhuman monster who is undeserving of love [expert testimony would be needed to determine why they have no hearts, such as they weren’t hugged by the mother in childhood]. Sure, adopting a rescue brachiosaurus would be grossly impractical, but the same is true of white rhinos, and we want them to live. Practicalities aside, are the dinosaurs in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom a protected by Endangered Species or an Invasive Species?

Are Genetically Created Dinosaurs an Endangered Species?

The law defines a “species” as “any subspecies of fish or wildlife or plants, and any distinct population segment of any species of vertebrate fish or wildlife which interbreeds when mature.” 16 U.S. CODE § 1532(16). The dinosaurs of Jurassic World are wildlife, but there is a question whether they interbreed in order to reproduce. If all dinosaurs are created by the cunning and well dressed Dr. Henry Wu, they technically do not meet the plain text of the Endangered Species Act. However, if they do breed in adulthood, they arguably are a “species” even if originally created in a lab.

The test to determine whether a species is endangered asks: Is the species “in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range.” 16 U.S. CODE § 1532(6). Moreover, a species can be considered “endangered” because of “natural or manmade factors affecting its continued existence.” 16 USCS § 1533(a)(1)(E).

A species is “threatened” if it is “likely to become an endangered species within the foreseeable future throughout all or a significant portion of its range.” 16 U.S. CODE § 1532(20); Conservation Force, Inc. v. Jewell, 733 F.3d 1200, 1202 (D.C. Cir. 2013).

The volcano on Isla Nublar had become active and was predicted to have a cataclysmic eruption. Nothing says species “in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range,” like hot lava flooding over an island. Even though dinosaurs are endangered, that does not create an independent duty to any country to mount a rescue mission to evacuate them from Isla Nublar. Moreover, rescuing dinosaurs could create another danger: Invasive Species.

Protecting Humans from Invasive Species

The danger of invasive species is a real one faced in the United States, from pythons in Florida to zebra mussels in the Great Lakes. Congress described the danger as follows:

When environmental conditions are favorable, nonindigenous species become established, may compete with or prey upon native species of plants, fish, and wildlife, may carry diseases or parasites that affect native species, and may disrupt the aquatic environment and economy of affected nearshore areas;

16 USCS section 4701(a)(2).

Pterodactyls picking off children in backyards or Utahraptors snacking on neighborhood pets might not have been the original dangers envisioned by Congress with preventing invasive species from entering ecosystems, but the laws clearly are in place to prevent such environmental disruption by dinosaurs introduced (or re-introduced) to the United States.

Presidential Executive Order 13112 (February 3, 1999) states that Invasive Species Are Not Protected by the Endangered Species Act. Federal agencies are to prevent the introduction of invasive species and “respond rapidly” to control the populations of invasive species. Subsections (i) and (ii). Moreover, the Government is to “provide for restoration of native species and habitat conditions in ecosystems that have been invaded.” Subsection (iv). Furthermore, Federal Agencies are charged with promoting “public education on invasive species and the means to address them.” Subsection (vi).

The Federal Government’s response to a dozen plus dinosaurs being introduced in California would need to be switch. Large predators such as a Tyrannosaurus Rex would either need to be exterminated by the military or somehow incapacitated and transferred to a special wildlife reserve, ideally off the US mainland. Dinosaurs would immediately upset the ecosystem, adding human beings as ready to serve meals. Large herbivores would ne extremely adorable, but disrupt the agricultural economy of California. Slow grazing Triceratops or Ankylosaurus could wipe out farms in the Central Valley. While exterminating such creatures would be the moral equivalent of murdering Golden Retrievers, the introduction of large herbivores would disrupt the economy, cause the loss of property, and possibly risk lives. Or they could be super cute and loyal. If the latter, farmers would figure out for life to find a way to coexist. If the former, expect Fish and Game to look more like Special Forces with anti-tank weapons to remediate dinosaur infestations.

Dinosaur Liability on Your Property

The mansion of Benjamin Lockwood served as an auction house for buyers of dinosaurs imported to California. Disregarding the fact a cargo ship could travel to California within 24 hours (which would require the ship to cross 4,300+ miles of ocean at a speed of 181.5 miles per hour or 157.788706 Knots), there are serious liability issues for those injured by dinosaurs. Moreover, the Pachycephalosaurus in the room is it is illegal to import animals that are either wild or endangered into the United States, or its territorial waters, or on the high seas. Safari Club Int’l v. Babbitt, No. 1993 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 21795, at *19-20 (W.D. Tex. Aug. 12, 1993), citing 50 C.F.R. § 10.12 and 16 U.S.C.S. § 1538(A)(1)(A), (B), and (C). Furthermore, the Secretary of the Interior can regulate the wild animals that are “injurious to human beings” to be prohibited from being imported into the United States. 18 U.S.C.S. § 42(a)(1). Cruising straight to a castle in Northern California with a ship full of dinosaurs that could eat, step on, or cause other blunt trauma to human beings, would violate US laws on dangerous wild animals entering the country.

Numerous auction attendees were eaten or maimed by dinosaurs at Lockwood manor. One of the few California cases where a guest was injured by an animal at a residence, a business or a hotel/motel was over a spider bite. Brunelle v. Signore, 215 Cal. App. 3d 122, 127 (1989). The Brunelle Court explained that in order for an owner of a private residence to have a duty to protect guests from spider bites, the owner must: 1) there must be specific knowledge the insect or sider is indigenous to the area; 2) the homeowner has knowledge that a specific harmful insect is prevalent in the area where his residence is located; 3) the homeowner knows the harmful inspect is inside or outside the home; and (4) either the homeowner of injured guest had seen the specific insect that bit the guest either before or after the bite occurred. Brunelle, at *129-30.

Eli Mills invited auction attendees to the Lockwood estate for the purpose of buying dangerous animals to be used in war or private big game hunting. The dangers of the dinosaurs were self-evident, given the known lethal abilities of the creatures, the dinosaurs were kept in cages to prevent injury, and it was established attendees knew of the dinosaurs there, as did Mills. As such, the entire auction of illegally imported wild animals would make Eli Mills strictly liable for all injuries. There is an argument Benjamin Lockwood’s estate in probate would not be liable, because Mills had breached his scope of employment in his management of Lockwood’s affairs.

Compassionate Californians who try rescuing dinosaurs should be warned that a “wild animal is presumed to be vicious and since the owner of such animal…is an insurer against the acts of the animal to anyone who is injured…” Baugh v. Beatty, 91 Cal. App. 2d 786, 791, (1949) (case involving an attack by a chimpanzee). Anyone who owns a “rescue dinosaur” that injures another person would be strictly liable for any damages caused by said dinosaur. If pet dinosaurs became an issue, states likely would classify them as exotic pets that are dangerous wild animals (like a ferret with rabies) and order the animals destroyed. (See, Raynor v. Maryland Dep’t of Health & Mental Hygiene, 110 Md. App. 165, 182 (Md. Ct. Spec. App. 1996)).

Federal Agencies would have a massive PSA campaign pursuant to Executive Order 13112 on the dangers of adopting dinosaurs and how to avoid injury, such as how not to be eaten by a Allosaurus while jogging, don’t try to ride a Stegosaurus, and high students should not do the Compsognathus saliva challenge.

Law Finds a Way

The purpose of law is to protect people from wrongs. Laws hold civil societies together. When people discover a situation where injuries happen, laws are enacted to prevent future harm. In the case of genetically created dinosaurs, laws would be enacted at the Federal and state levels to protect both human life, and the dinosaurs, to ensure both could live free of injury. That might not be an exciting movie, but law would find a law.

Betting the Millennium Falcon

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The rules of Sabacc might not have been said in Solo A Star Wars Story, but one thing is clear: Cheating is not allowed. The events of the card game at the Lodge at Fort Ypso raise complex issues of remedies with games of chance. Spoilers ahead.

Han Solo induced Lando Calrissian to bet the Millennium Falcon in a game of Sabacc against Han’s VCX-100. First problem: Han did not have a VCX-100. Second problem: the Falcon was impounded. Third problem: Lando cheated by having a card up his sleeve.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

Han’s Bluff on Having a VCX-100

Han claimed he had a VCX-100 (the same class as the Ghost in Star Wars Rebels), as his bet to induce Lando to call with the Falcon. This technically is fraud, because it was a material misrepresentation of fact. Gambling laws in the District of Columbia state that anyone by fraud who wins a game above the value of $25 shall forfeit five times the value of the item or cash one, and be deemed “infamous.” D.C. Code § 16-1704. That could have been a problem if Han had won, but for Lando’s cheating, Han lost. This is sort of legally a wash, as Han technically did not violate the statute and also lost all of his credits to Lando.

Poker Face

Lando has a full house of legal issues with his Sabacc bet. The first is whether he could have lawfully bet the Falcon, since it was impounded. While the bet of the vehicle was likely proper, he did not disclose it had been impounded, requiring an unknown fine to be paid in order for it to be released.

Lando had a device strapped to his wrist with a trump card that would enable him to beat other card players. This is the very definition of cheating. California has declared it is unlawful to cheat at any gambling game in any gambling establishment. Cal. Penal Code § 337x. The Lodge would qualify as a gambling establishment that allows Sacbacc games. It is further unlawful to alter the random selection of gambling games that determine the outcome of the game. Using a device to add a card clearly changed the outcome of the Sacbacc game and eliminated random selection of the cards. Cal. Penal Code § 337y(b)(2). The punishment for cheating is a jail term of at least one year or fine up to $10,000 for the first offense and one year and/or $15,000 fine for a second offense. Cal. Penal Code § 337z.

The only reason Lando won the game of Sabacc was because he cheated. The game was not “fair and square” and would result in criminal prosecution if discovered.

Han would have a difficult time suing Lando for the Falcon for Lando’s cheating. California has a public policy against using the courts to recover for gambling losses from alleged “rigged” games. Kelly v. First Astri Corp., 72 Cal. App. 4th 462, 482-83, (1999). As such, there is no real judicial relief for Han’s gambling losses to Lando.

Know When to Fold Them

Han Solo had a rematch with Lando where his buy in was a drop of Coaxium. More importantly for Han, he discovered Lando means of cheating. Han successfully won the Millennium Falcon “fair and square” without using Lando’s card to cheat. This was a sweet turn of justice in depriving Lando of his means of cheating.

Pretty sue Han let Lando remove his capes before taking possession of the ship.

Is it Cool a Lawyer is Representing AND Dating a Dagger’s Mom?

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Marvel’s Cloak and Dagger shows a significant ethical issue for a lawyer named “Greg.” Greg is representing Melissa Bowen, Tandy’s mother, against the Roxxon Corp. The mega-evil company pinned the destruction of an oil rig on Tandy’s father, who was killed in a car crash after the oil rig exploded. Eight years later, Greg the lawyer has been navigating the corporate shell games in trying to bring justice to the Bowen family.

Greg also has a sexual relationship with Melissa, does considerate acts of kindness such as buying groceries, and has the hope of one day marrying Melissa. Greg is also married and apparently has a thing for women who need to be rescued. This is an ethical minefield for Greg. The Louisiana Rules of Professional Conduct state, “in representing a client, a lawyer shall exercise independent professional judgment and render candid advice.” The annotations to the ABA Model Rule state:

“Emotional detachment,” in the words of the ABA’s Ethics Committee, is “essential to the lawyer’s ability to render competent legal services.” A lawyer who engages in a sexual relationship with a client, the committee concluded, risks losing “the objectivity and reasonableness that form the basis of the lawyer’s independent professional judgment.” Because of this threat to independent judgment, and because of the problems of confidentiality and conflicts of interest that lawyer-client sex presents, the committee concluded that a lawyer would be “well advised to refrain from such a relationship.”

In re Ashy, 98-0662 ( La. 12/01/98), 721 So. 2d 859, 867.

Greg is a solo practitioner. Taking on a multi-national corporation that sues former employees for seeking medical treatment on the grounds they violated their confidentiality agreement (See, Daredevil season 1), requires Greg to be able to render independent professional judgment. The fact he is having a sexual relationship with Melissa, whose life has been destroyed by Roxxon, would mean he is not emotionally detached from his client. This would heavily compromise his ability to give his best legal representation.

Attorneys are not supposed to provide financial assistance to a client, except in specific situations with court costs and litigation expenses. La. St. Bar Ass’n. Art. XVI § 1.8. Arguably buying groceries and meals could be considered financial assistance for a client who is unemployed and living in desperate conditions.

Greg appeared to have honorable goals to help the Bowen family, however, his sexual relationship with Melissa would be a serious breach of his ethical duty to provide independent professional judgment and render candid advice. Unfortunately, this turned into a moot point after the episode Call/Response.

Is It Really Murder If The Victim Lives On In A Digital Form?

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“The danger of living too many times: you forget to fear death. We dismiss the Grim Reaper as a quaint metaphor. But fearing death is good for you.”

From the beginning of mankind through the twenty-first century, murder has been a pretty straight forward criminal charge. One person harmed another, and that person died as a result of the harm. But now, things are different. “Medical technology, however, has outstripped these simplistic axioms and rendered [our original notions about murder] obsolete [because] [a]rtificial life support systems have enabled the medical profession to prolong human ‘life,’ as defined by archaic common law standards, almost indefinitely.”  Captain Stephen J. Kaczynski, “We Find the Accused (Guilty) (Not Guilty) of Homicide”: Toward A New Definition of Death, Army Law., June 1982, at 1, 2.

Sci-fi technology takes this conundrum even further, enabling a person’s body to be “killed” but allowing his or her consciousness to live on in a digital realm. In Netflix’s Altered Carbon, everyone’s consciousness is transferred to a “stack,” which can be inserted or removed from a physical body—called a “sleeve.” We also recently found out that the android-filled “park” in HBO’s Westworld actually collects data on its guests, permitting full digital copies of a guest’s consciousness to be uploaded into an android host. Many Black Mirror episodes likewise include this tech, whereby one’s consciousness can be uploaded into a “cookie” and made to perform tasks. Outside of destroying someone’s stack or cookie—called a “real death” in Altered Carbon—killing someone’s physical body does not actually render them dead.

An occupied stack removed from its sleeve

The legal question then, it seems, is how would we classify (or criminally charge) a person that “murders” the replaceable body of another whose consciousness keeps on living and can be transferred to a new body? For our purposes, I’ll call this a “sleeve death” as opposed to a “real death” a lá Altered Carbon. Using the Model Penal Code (“MPC”) and analogous modern case law, I think that question would have to be answered by a few slight changes in the law.

Under the MPC, which is not law but can and has been adopted by various jurisdictions, “[a] person is guilty of criminal homicide if he purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another human being.” MPC § 210.1(1). To constitute murder (aka first-degree homicide), the death must be “committed purposely or knowingly” or “under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life” such as during the commission of a violent felony.  MPC § 210.2(a)–(b). See also 18 U.S.C. § 1111 (“Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.”).

By contrast, homicide that is merely “reckless” or “is committed under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance for which there is reasonable explanation or excuse,” is considered manslaughter. MPC § 210.3(1)(a)–(b). See also MPC § 210.4(1) (“Criminal homicide constitutes negligent homicide when it is committed negligently.”).  For all of these crimes, a “human being” is defined by the MPC as “a person who has been born and is alive.” MPC § 210.0(1).

A sleeve doesn’t have to be human either but could be robot, like in Chappie

Looking to the MPC for an answer to our sleeve death situation presents a couple of problems. First, although the consciousness of the person in the stack was born and is “alive,” the expendable sleeve itself is no longer irrevocably linked to the actual person. In our (future) world, the body and mind are effectively separated into distinct entities. To “cause the death” of a person, one would have to destroy his or her stack. Thus, the definition of “a human being” would need to be changed to accommodate this new dual-nature of one’s life. Second, the varying levels of culpability reflect society’s acceptance that all murders are not equal. These variances, however, are generally related to the mens rea (criminal intent) or the actus reus (the wrongful act) of the murderer, not the victim. Although this makes sense in a world where the death of the body equals the death of the mind, a person whose sleeve has been killed is not “dead” in the traditional sense.

A similar issue has already arisen in the context of individuals who are rendered brain dead (medically referred to as “neocortical death”) by someone’s attack, but are subsequently “killed” when taken off of life support. In People v. Eulo, the New York Court of Appeals decided whether a defendant could “be relieved of criminal liability for homicide by the removal of the victim’s vital organs after the victim has been declared dead according to brain-based criteria, notwithstanding that, at that time, the victim’s heartbeat and breathing were being continued by artificial means.” 63 N.Y.2d 341, 346 (1984).

Nothing like a stuffed monkey sleeve to creep your kids out after you leave your physical body

In holding that the defendant may be held liable, the court reasoned “when a . . . a person has suffered an irreversible cessation of heartbeat and respiration, or, when these functions are maintained solely by extraordinary mechanical means, an irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, no life traditionally recognized by the law is present in that body.” Id. at 357–58. Accordingly, although the defendant’s mindset and actions are normally the primary considerations in a murder trial, the victim’s post-attack state and quality of life can and should be considered for new legal issues relating to life and death. See also Com. v. Golston, 373 Mass. 249 (1977).

“Cheers to escaping death,” except when your digital file gets corrupted apparently

Here, I doubt that destroying a person’s sleeve alone could constitute the death of the person’s consciousness or the irreversible removal of one’s “capacity to think, feel, communicate, or experience our environment.”  See David Smith, Legal Recognition of Neocortical Death, 71 Cornell L. Rev. 850, 860 (1986). It is unlikely, then, that the MPC’s current language would cover sleeve deaths alone without a few modifications. Initially, the legislature would have to adopt a broader definition of “human being” that includes distinctions for stacks and sleeves. Next, the levels of culpability would need to reflect the differences between a sleeve death, real death, and unintentional real death that was meant to be a stack death. See “The Vanishing Point,” Westworld (when the Man in Black kills who he presumes to be a copy of his daughter).

Then after adjusting the MPC’s conception of murder, we can rest easy knowing that futuristic prosecutors charging futuristic criminals for futuristic crimes are keeping society safe. Because this is The Legal Geeks and we spare no expense, here’s our proposal for a few Sci-fi Model Penal Codes (“SMPC”).

The First Time Han Shot First

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Solo A Star Wars Story took aim at the first time Han Shot First. Spoilers ahead if you have not seen Solo.

Facts matter when it comes to the justified use of force. Tobias Beckett had kidnapped Chewbacca at blaster-point and absconded with the processed Coaxium on Savareen from Dryden Vos’s yacht. Han was able to head off Beckett and have his blaster drawn in order to save Chewbacca.

The Law of the Wingman 

The “Defense of Others” is an offshoot of self-defense. Dating back to a long time ago in English common law, deadly force was limited to defend against the ‘forcible and atrocious’ crimes of “murder, nighttime burglary of a dwelling, arson, robbery, forcible rape and sodomy.” People v. Gilmore, 203 Cal. App. 3d 612, 249 Cal. Rptr. 914, 917 (1988) [Unpublished], citing 4 Blackstone’s, Commentaries, at pp. 180-181. These are crimes that from their “atrocity and violence, human life [or personal safety from great harm] either is, or is presumed to be, in peril.” People v. Ceballos, 12 Cal. 3d 470, 478-79, (1974) [Citations omitted].

Under California law, a homicide is justifiable when “resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person.” Cal. Penal Code § 197(1). It can also be used in the lawful defense of a person when “there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished.” Cal. Penal Code § 197(3). There is a catch that if there was mutual combat, there must have a been a good faith effort to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed. Id.

The law does not favor justified homicides by those who were the aggressors in the fight. For example, if a defendant went to a fight armed and initiated the challenge, “he cannot afterward maintain that in taking his assailant’s life he acted in self defense.” People v. Bates, 256 Cal. App. 2d 935, 939, 64 Cal. Rptr. 575, 577-78 (1967).

The jury instructions for both self-defense and defense of others require a defendant to: 1) Reasonably believe that someone was in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury; 2) Reasonably believe that the immediate use of deadly force was necessary to defend against the danger; and 3) the defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the danger. 1 CALCRIM 505 (2018).

Going Solo

Han Solo was legally justified in shooting Tobias Beckett in defense of Chewbacca’s life and his own. First, Beckett directed Chewbacca at blaster-point to carry the highly explosive Coaxium. This is kidnapping, because Beckett forcibly detained Chewbacca against his will and moved him to another part of Savareen. See, Cal. Penal Code § 207. As Chewbacca had been kidnapped, Han could reasonably believe that Chewbacca was in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury, meeting the requirements of the first element of the jury requirement.

Han reasonably believed the immediate use of deadly force was necessary to defend against the danger posed by Beckett. First, Han had seen Beckett in action with his blasters and knew Beckett was an expert shot. Second, Han had seen Beckett kill Vos’s men mere minutes before in a double (or triple) cross. Third, Han knew Beckett’s propensity to give “lessons” by monologue. Fourth, Han could see Beckett going for his blaster. Finally, and this cannot be overstated, the very act of kidnapping Chewbacca was a “forcible and atrocious” crime that could result in loss of life.

Han used no more force than was necessary to shot Beckett from using his blaster. While Han did fire a fatal shot, it was not excessive or a gratuitous use of violence.

Prosecutors could argue that Han was the aggressor because he confronted Beckett armed. That would ignore the fact that Chewbacca had been kidnapped after Beckett’s multiple murders on Vos’s yacht. Under the circumstances, Beckett was an immediate danger to Chewbacca’s life, and Han was justified to come to his friend’s defense.

San Francisco Comic Con 2018

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We had the privilege of presenting on the legal issues with Kaiju, Universal Monsters, and Star Wars at San Francisco Comic Con. We presented each panel on Friday and Saturday, meeting many fantastic con goers who had awesome questions on the law.

Claudia Gray, author of the Star Wars YA books Lost Stars, Bloodline, and Leia: Princess of Alderaan, is a former practicing attorney from Louisiana. I asked Claudia if she would like to join our Saturday panel, which she graciously accepted. This was one of the energetic and fun-filled panels we have had at a con.

Yes, the Law is a lot of fun.

Here is audio from four of our presentations.