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The Legal Geeks at ForceFest

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We had an amazing time at ForceFest 2020. It was wonderful to have an online community who loves Star Wars. Below are recordings of our two panels.

Lawyers on the 40th Anniversary of The Empire Strikes Back!

Can Darth Vader murder Imperial officers for poor job performance? And what can Vader teach us about contract modification? Join our brave band of lawyers from The Legal Geeks as they take on war crimes on Hoth, whether Luke had a duty to rescue his friends from the Empire, the legality of dumping trash in space. Featuring Steve Chu (Assistant US Attorney), Bethany Bengfort (Durie Tangri), Nari Ely (US Courts), and moderated by Stephen Tollafield (Professor at UC Hastings College of Law).

This is the Law: Lawyers on the Mandalorian

Bounty hunting is a complicated profession. That is why lawyers geeked out over all of the legal issues in the first season of The Mandalorian. Can bounty hunters use lethal force? What is the enforceability of an oral contract made during a shoot out? Is it murder to shoot a droid or destruction of property? These issues and more will be discussed by lawyers from The Legal Geeks.

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Zorro the Public Defender

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Black masquerade mask isolated on white background
Photo: Disney’s Zorro

“From out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horseman known as Zorro!”

I’m often asked why I work in public defense. Sometimes it’s a polite question, sometimes it’s phrased more as ‘why don’t you want to be a real lawyer’. While the answer to that second question is that I attended and graduated from a real law school, passed a real bar exam, opened a real law firm, then went to work for a real dedicated public defender’s office, thus making me as real a lawyer as you’re ever going to meet (to paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson); the answer to the first question is more complicated. When I’m asked I will typically give the following answer: because I grew up watching Zorro. Specifically, I grew up watching Disney’s Zorro starring Guy Williams in the titular role. With issues of policing and law enforcement in the news like never before it seemed an opportune time to share the story of how a legendary outlaw inspired me to work in the law.

Zorro’s Story:

The story of Zorro dates back to the 1919 serial The Curse of Capistrano by Johnston McCulley, and has been retold numerous times in all manner of media from comics, to movies, to TV, to ballet.[1] While there are of course subtle differences to the character in the retelling he is almost always portrayed as Don Diego de la Vega, the wealthy son of Don Alejandro de la Vega. The story typically place in the Spanish territory of California[2] where Don Alejandro has sent his son Diego to Spain for a formal education. While his son is away in Spain Don Alejandro’s compassion for and treatment of the peasant class (and in some versions, the indigenous people) has caused his influence to wane. As Diego is returning home from school he receives word from his father that the Governor has stationed a new military officer in Los Angeles who is implementing martial law and other tactics to force the populace back “into line”. Thankfully that wouldn’t happen today… what’s that about Portland?[3] Diego has become an accomplished swordsman and all around Spanish gentleman of the day, a caballero. Deeply concerned at the injustices his father describes to him, Diego creates two alternate identities for himself. The first is the foppish Don Diego de la Vega, a scholarly lad who is more interested in his books than in winning the acclaim of other young men his age. The second is the roguish outlaw Zorro, The Fox, who fights for justice for the people of Alta California at the tip of a sword against an overbearing military state. When Diego returns to his home he is a deep disappointment to his father who hoped that his son would aid him in rallying the other Dons to fight against the military control of the people. At the same time Zorro becomes an ever-present thorn in the side of the local Comandante, a hero of the people, and a beacon of hope. Eventually, in most stories, Zorro is successful at overthrowing the military control of the people and the Governor comes to the aid of the locals, reforming the government into something more equitable. Of course, that’s fiction. In real life there was a war and California becomes part of the United States.

The Story of Clarence Gideon:

Now, how does a masked man with a sword and a horse fighting an oppressive military force in the old territory of California equate to a kid from Atlanta deciding to become a public defender in Oregon? The answer lies in why we fight and who we fight for. Both public defenders and Zorro fought against oppressive government policing for the poor and lower class. Most people are surprised to know that despite the guarantees of the Constitution and the Sixth Amendment of the Bill of Rights for most of US History you only had the right to an attorney if you were rich enough to afford one.

To hire a lawyer in Eugene, Or (where I practice) on even a relatively simple case will set you back a few thousand dollars, and that’s if you aren’t looking to go trial. When I was in private practice I would bill around $200 an hour in most cases (relatively inexpensive for lawyers in the area). For just being in a short two day trial that’s $3,200, and that doesn’t count the time for preparation, pretrial motions, investigation, expert witnesses, etc. All totaled you’d be looking at easily double that figure for a relatively simple trial, vastly more as the complexity of the trial increases. That’s a pretty solid chunk of change for most people to put down, and before 1963 if you didn’t have it you were wished the best of luck and thrown to the wolves of the court system.

In 1963 however, the US Supreme Court decided Gideon v. Wainwright.[4]  The Court heard the case of Clarence Gideon, a Florida man charged with breaking and entering. Mr. Gideon was denied a court appointed attorney because his wasn’t a capital case (punishable by death), and was forced to represent himself at trial. He was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. From there he appealed up through the system until The Supreme Court eventually heard his case. The Court decided that the Fourteenth Amendment applied the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of an attorney to the States through the due process clause. That is a longwinded legal way of saying that States were now required to appoint an attorney in all criminal cases where a Defendant’s liberty interests were at stake (where they could be put in jail). This was a landmark decision if ever there was one. It changed the very face of criminal law as it was known at the time with the simple statement that justice wasn’t just for the wealthy.

Practically speaking, this meant that the professional prosecutors, who before were simply rolling roughshod over the poor people who were forced to represent themselves now had professional attorneys to contend with who were educated and trained in how uphold the rights of criminal defendants. It meant that the State could no longer violate people’s rights just because the self-represented litigant didn’t know that they had rights and forced police to adhere to things like the requirement to obtain a warrant to seize people or property for search (ok, admittedly we’re still working on that last one but it’s getting better).

Zorro was the Public Defender of his Day

If the proposition that people, regardless of their income or social status sounds familiar, it’s because that was the same thing Zorro fought for way back when. Granted his law involved less briefing and fewer court appearances, but the reason Zorro fought all those sword fights was the principal that regardless of whether you were rich or poor, a Don or a commoner, you had meaningful access to justice.

It’s no coincidence that in the first season of Disney’s Zorro one of the central themes is Don Alejandro’s struggle to force the military to have a trial for someone they arrested without cause. It culminates in Zorro taking on a corrupt judge who has accepted a bribe in order to guarantee a guilty verdict even after there had been proof presented of the defendant’s innocence.

Since our modern justice system puts the burden of proving guilt on the prosecution, the government, as opposed to requiring the defendant to prove their innocence you might think that the system will work regardless of if there is a lawyer on the side of the Defendant. While that is certainly the aspiration, it is rarely (if ever) the truth. Prosecutors are partisan by design, meaning that it is their job to prosecute people, to put them in jails or prisons. They are often burdened by heavy caseloads and rarely have the time to truly look thoroughly at any given case, which can lead to them simply pushing files through the system from arrest to conviction without ever having the time to question if the evidence was lawfully obtained or if the proof really amounted to beyond a reasonable doubt. And that is assuming that the prosecutor is honestly committed to making sure that those issues are accounted for in the system.

The problems with prosecutors could be, and has been, the subject of numerous articles and books and are far beyond the scope of this article. Suffice to say that if the government, with all of its power and resources, accuses you of a crime you need someone in your corner. Someone who can work within the system, who knows the rules of the system and how to use them, someone who will fight for you, to make sure that no one is convicted of a crime without proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed it, and to make sure that even those who are guilty of crimes are sentenced fairly. Whether that’s a masked man who carves Z’s into walls with his sword, or an attorney in a suit who stands next you in court, regardless of how much money you have in your pockets.

Want more proof of the inspiration? This is an actual photo of me dressed as Zorro for Halloween.

[1] For a full history of the character see https://www.zorro.com/history/

[2] Yes, the US state California was once the property of Spain and even part of Mexico. https://www.loc.gov/collections/california-first-person-narratives/articles-and-essays/early-california-history/

[3] https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-violence-portland-protest-federal-officers/

[4] Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 US 335 (1963). https://www.oyez.org/cases/1962/155

An Analysis of Legal Evolution in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome

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World War III may have spelled doom for civilization as we know it in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, but the spirit of justice lives on! Lives on and thriving by the look of it. It may come as a surprise to many that instead of a lawless, barbarian future, Aunty Entity, ruler of Bartertown and keen legal thinker, along with her sidekick Dr. Dealgood, have put to rest many of the difficulties that are vexing some of Canada’s best legal minds. This includes concern that the judicial system is transparent and the public can see that justice is being done, solving the access to justice crisis currently plaguing the Canadian court system, and settling the seemingly endless debates surrounding sentencing principles and application. The new environment will also mean some substantial changes to the legal profession, but promises a glowing future for the lawyers who can adapt.

The Supreme Court of Canada (SCC) highlighted the importance of maintaining public confidence in the justice system in R v S(RD) [1997] 3 SCR 484 through insuring that a reasonable person would be able to see that justice was being done in cases that went to the justice system. This can be quite a challenging threshold to meet in today’s complex society, and in a labyrinthine justice system that uses convoluted legal language and procedures which can still be mystifying and opaque to many people.

Luckily, in the world of Mad Max, the apocalypse has made radioactive rubble of the labyrinth of the Canadian legal system. In its place, Bartertown’s legal eagle, Aunty Entity, has come up with an answer. Thunderdome! In Thunderdome, the impenetrable procedural complexity of Canada’s justice system has given way to spectacle that is readily transparent and comprehensible to everyone. The moment a dispute goes to Thunderdome, the lights “Thunderdome Live” flash on top of the dome, alerting everyone in Bartertown that a trial by combat is about to begin. Everybody can take a place somewhere on the outside of Thunderdome’s steel structure and watch as the trial begins and the wheels of justice begin to turn.

Everyone has a chance to witness justice being done in Thunderdome.

Thunderdome’s catchy creed: “Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves” also does away with all that pesky legal jargon nobody understands and ensures that everybody watching will clearly see that justice is done. Gone are the days when judges produce hundreds of pages of analysis in their decisions trying rather unsuccessfully to interpret the law. In Bartertown, we not only have a catchy slogan, but also a very precise description of Thunderdome’s legal procedures.

Despite this great advancement in lawmaking, some will argue that the law is too complex to be boiled down to a single slogan, no matter how catchy. This is true, and we can see in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome that Aunty Entity has brought her highly precise legal sensibilities to contract law as well. Contract law in Bartertown is just as catchy and accessible as the law of Thunderdome: “Bust a Deal, Spin the Wheel”. This simple phrase is a precise description of the spectacle Batertown’s citizenry get to witness when someone busts a deal. In Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, the Wheel is brought out to the middle of town for all to see and the ceremony is presided over with the colorful narration of Dr. Dealgood and his two lovely assistants. When the offender spins the Wheel, often with the aid of one of the assistants, justice is visibly and comprehensibly being done. This is obviously a considerable advancement over the quagmire of contract law today.

Aunty Entity’s keen legal mind has advanced the cause of justice in the aftermath of World War III.

As my readers may be inferring, Bartertown has also made great strides in solving the access to justice crisis which plagues Canadian courts today. In an August 2015 speech, Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada Beverly McLaughlin stated that Canada is facing an access to justice crisis as legal fees skyrocket and courts are backlogged. In Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, Aunty Entity has employed her great legal talents to deal with the fallout of this crisis considerably better than we have.

In Canada, the crisis is on full display as we can witness Kafka’s short story “Before the Law” in action in both the civil and criminal courts. Ontario’s Rules of Civil Procedure are designed to discourage people from bringing their claims to civil court by making claimants jump through so many hoops that it is almost impossible to get there. Even if someone does manage to make it all the way to a trial, it could take years to get there and even longer to get your case heard. The criminal courts aren’t much better. They are so slow that when the SCC decided in R v Jordan [2016] 1 SCR 631 to put an upper ceiling of 30 months (i.e. 2.5 years. Yes, years.) for a case to be heard in a superior court, this was seen as a reasonable time frame.

On the other hand, accessing Thunderdome is quick and easy. According to Aunty Entity, it is as easy as picking a fight. From the vantage point of a legal system so backlogged that a sleepy tortoise is a speed demon by comparison, this seems too good to be true. Yet, Aunty Entity’s claim is borne out when Max picked a fight with Master / Blaster for appropriating his vehicle. Within minutes, they were escorted to Thunderdome and the trial was ready to get underway. This is the kind of accessibility Canadian courts can only dream of, and a fantastic step up from the sleepy tortoise justice of today.

Sentencing is also very controversial in Canada, as judges tend to craft highly disparate sentences for similar crimes. The SCC tried, albeit not very successfully, to resolve sentencing disparity in R v McDonnell [1997] 1 SCR 948. No doubt Dr. Dealgood was talking about Canadian sentencing law when he said that “Justice is a roll of the dice”. However, Aunty Entity has learned, by the dust of them all she has learned, and in Bartertown sentencing has become much more predictable. Sentencing principles are simple: bust a deal, and spin the wheel. Better yet, all ten sentencing possibilities are laid out clearly on the Wheel for all to see. In Bartertown, rolls of the dice, better known as a balancing of sentencing principles in Canada, have become a thing of the past. However, Bartertown has not completely broken with tradition and the unpredictability and confusion of Canadian sentencing still has a small part to play. One of the segments of the Wheel is “Aunty’s Choice”, meaning she can more or less “roll the dice” in passing sentence if she wants.

Even better, people convicted of busting a deal get to play a key part in creating their own sentence. This is important and progressive step that is a definitive answer to Robert Martinson’s classic paper “What Works”, where he analyzed the connection between sentencing and recidivism. According to Martinson, nothing works to reduce recidivism. However, upon reading his paper, it’s obvious that convicted persons are acted upon, and not actors, when it comes to crafting their sentence. When facing the Wheel, it is up to convicted persons to spin it, thus ensuring that they play a key role in crafting their own sentence.

Dr. Dealgood’s astute understanding of Canadian sentencing principles has led to some major improvements in crafting sentences for offenders.

With so many of the legal woes confronting the Canadian justice system resolved and justice so easily accessible, does this mean the end for lawyers? Of course not, but lawyers will have to adapt to this new and improved legal landscape. We can see that the notion of having an advocate has survived when Max picks a fight with Master / Blaster. The fight is clearly with Master, but Master sends Blaster into Thunderdome as his advocate. This creates a great deal of potential for the lawyers of tomorrow. However, lawyers, known by some as “Word Ninjas” for their skillful use of language, will have to take the “Ninja” part a bit more seriously and add some new skills to their repertoire. This will be a challenging transformation for the legal profession, but ultimately a rewarding one as lawyers redefine their advocacy skills in Thunderdome.

Lawyers will have an opportunity to develop new advocacy skills in the future of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

In Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, the future looks pretty bleak for most of civilization, but the spirit of justice is obviously thriving on the day after. Under the tutelage of Aunty Entity’s keen legal mind, the law has become transparent, accessible and comprehensible to all. Lawyers will need to adapt, but a glowing future awaits those in the profession who are still around on the day after.

 

Comic Con at Home Panel – UltraLawyer Kaiju Patrol

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We are thrilled to be part of Comic Con at Home! Join us on Saturday, July 25, at 100 pm Pacific for our virtual panel UltraLawyer Kaiju Patrol!

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LHo2hy69Pxk

It’s all out lawyers attack! What can Kaiju movies teach us about shelter in place orders? Are parents financially responsible for kids who create a giant napping monster with cosmic rays? What are the First Amendment lessons from Mothra? Are common carriers such as trains, planes, and ships responsible for protecting passengers from Kaiju attacks? Join attorneys Bethany Bengfort (Durie Tangri), Nari Ely (US. Courts), Thomas Harper (Army JAG), and Joshua Gilliland (The Legal Geeks), as they battle legal issues from Ultraman, Gamera, Godzilla, Mothra, and more! Follow us at https://linktr.ee/thelegalgeeks

The 8th Anniversary of The Legal Geeks

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We launched The Legal Geeks on July 12, 2012. The past eight years have been an excellent adventure of blogging, podcasting, presenting San Diego Comic Con, Nerd Nites, and other great events. Above all else, we have built a community of lawyers and judges who love pop culture. It should be no surprise that a kid who grew up reading comic books would one day be a judge. Having wonderful friends across North America has made this adventure all the more worthwhile. Thank you all who have joined us on this journey. There will be more to come.

Turn Up the Volume for the 40th Anniversary of The Blues Brothers

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Jake. Elwood. Divine intervention during reckless driving. Join Jessica and I as we analyze enough legal issues to fill the Palace Hotel Ballroom from The Blues Brothers. 

Jaws 45th Anniversary

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Jaws defined summer blockbusters in 1975. In honor of the 45th Anniversary of this classic film, I sat down with my friends Steve Chu and Kathy Steinman to discuss Amity Island’s liability for the multiple shark attacks.